• Stripped down Debian dist

    From Dumas Walker@46:10/121 to ALL on Sat Aug 17 19:42:00 2019
    Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian, which keeps
    the kernel and security packages updated while remaining a version behind,
    or while stripping the bells and whistles?

    A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine that I use
    as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to downgrade it back due
    to issues with it grinding the system to a halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)

    I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter weight"
    distros out there. The ones I remember from a few years back have ceased
    being maintained.

    Thanks!

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Dumas Walker on Sat Aug 17 20:45:36 2019
    on 17 Aug 2019, Dumas Walker said...

    Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian, which keeps the kernel and security packages updated while remaining a version
    behind, or while stripping the bells and whistles?

    Depends on what you mean by 'stripping the bells and whistles'. If you mean "doesn't run Gnome 3 or anything Lennart Poettering has ever touched" then
    you probably want Devuan running Cinnamon (a Gnome 2 derived desktop environment, in case you were unaware). Everyone else drank the Poetter-Aid
    and AIDS'd up their system with PulseAudio and Systemd (the d stands for 'doesnt work', obviously).

    I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter weight" distros out there. The ones I remember from a few years back have ceased being maintained.

    Well, if by "lighter weight" you mean "use fluxbox / jwm", then no, I don't think there's any of those left. DamnSmallLinux was indirectly debian-based
    (I believe it was a fork off of Knoppix) but that stopped being maintained aeons ago.

    I guess I really need clarification: Do you want a system that takes up
    little disk space? Little RAM? Something that doesn't require a powerful CPU? Or just something that isn't an unstable piece of shit?

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  • From Dumas Walker@46:10/121 to DIGITAL AVATAR on Sun Aug 18 09:36:00 2019
    I guess I really need clarification: Do you want a system that takes up >little disk space? Little RAM? Something that doesn't require a powerful CPU? >Or just something that isn't an unstable piece of shit?

    Less RAM, will run on an 800MHz P3 without grinding it to a halt, and
    something that is stable. Would prefer it to have an option to install
    without an x-server as this is a server machine that I interact with exclusively via cli.

    The machine in question only has 256MB physical RAM. I thought it had more.

    I had not had any issues with systemd but maybe that is part of what
    happened here. All the RAM got ate up by some process and I was not even
    able to switch to another cli session to see what was wrong (like to run
    top or even shutdown -r) because it was so maxed out. My impression of
    Debian 10, even without an x-server, is that you need a multicore machine
    to run it.

    Thanks!

    P.S. Odd that you mention pulseaudio. That must install by default, even
    on the base or close-to-base system. I noticed it was running and this
    machine does not even have sound.

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 18 20:48:47 2019
    on 18 Aug 2019, Dumas Walker said...

    I guess I really need clarification: Do you want a system that takes up >little disk space? Little RAM? Something that doesn't require a powerful >Or just something that isn't an unstable piece of shit?

    Less RAM, will run on an 800MHz P3 without grinding it to a halt, and something that is stable. Would prefer it to have an option to install without an x-server as this is a server machine that I interact with exclusively via cli.

    In that case... there's always Slackware. Last stable release was 3 years
    ago, but -current is getting regular updates. That's as cli as it gets.

    P.S. Odd that you mention pulseaudio. That must install by default,
    even on the base or close-to-base system. I noticed it was running and this machine does not even have sound.

    Oh yes, virtually every distro installs that monstrosity nowadays for no fucking reason.

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  • From Dumas Walker@46:10/121 to DIGITAL AVATAR on Mon Aug 19 17:24:00 2019
    Oh yes, virtually every distro installs that monstrosity nowadays for no fucking reason.

    I also wondered if it could be a difference between using systemd and init.
    I have not run into any issues before but since systemd tries to do
    multiple things (vs. one thing well) I wonder if it is too much. I may try migrating it to devuan and see what happens.

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  • From uv5r@46:1/169 to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 16 17:05:59 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:42 pm

    I have found that using a Raspberry Pi and Raspbian is a generally decent solution. I like the Raspberry Pi due to their low power consumption. However, if you are simply trying to make use of your available old hardware, I tend to use debian or Ubuntu server and then remove packages there after. Remove the x-server, LibreOffice and other desktop apps.

    Also to note that if your boot times are slow, I read that CoreBoot can help there. I've not used it myself, just learned about it last night. CoreBoot is an open source BIOS. It was built to remove the backdoors of commercial BIOS firmwares. That's my 2 cents.
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