• Web Question?

    From HusTler@1:103/705 to All on Wed Oct 30 11:32:18 2019
    How important is it to have https access fro Synchronet and ftelnet access on your BBS? Do your users logon from the web and ftelnet? Do most use telnet and/or ssh?


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 10:52:11 2019
    Re: Web Question?
    By: HusTler to All on Wed Oct 30 2019 11:32 am

    How important is it to have https access fro Synchronet and ftelnet access on your BBS? Do your users logon from the web and ftelnet? Do most use telnet and/or ssh?

    I'm not sure it's highly important to have https access. Many people who log into my BBS use telnet, though I'm not sure if they use ftelnet or their own client. I think it's handy to have ftelnet set up on your BBS web site though,
    so that people can log into telnet if they don't have a telnet client installed
    on their own machine.

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 20:04:00 2019
    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    How important is it to have https access fro Synchronet and
    ftelnet access on your BBS?

    Not important to me at all. I do not have web access to my BBS
    enabled. To me, a BBS should be accessed from an ANSI-type
    application to make it as similar to the dial-up days as possible.

    Do your users logon from the web and ftelnet?

    No. Not enabled on my system.

    Do most use telnet and/or ssh?

    Only telnet enabled here.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 12:34:00 2019
    On 10-30-19 10:52, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    I'm not sure it's highly important to have https access. Many people

    It's probably going to be more for those whose browsers don't like HTTP (*cough* Chrome *cough*). In that context, HTTPS might make the web interface more newbie friendly. Telnet doesn't have an equivalent issue at this time, it'll "just work" if you have a telnet client.


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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Oct 30 22:00:17 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 2019 08:04 pm

    Do your users logon from the web and ftelnet?

    No. Not enabled on my system.

    Do most use telnet and/or ssh?

    Only telnet enabled here.

    Thanks for that. Maybe I'm better off without the web stuff. I don't think the younger generation is even interested in BBSing. I can't even get my 30 year old son to create an account on my BBS. He can't get past the login screens. lol




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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Oct 31 09:52:10 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 2019 08:04 pm

    How important is it to have https access fro Synchronet and
    ftelnet access on your BBS?

    Not important to me at all. I do not have web access to my BBS
    enabled. To me, a BBS should be accessed from an ANSI-type
    application to make it as similar to the dial-up days as possible.

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have a telnet program installed.

    Also, what about RIP?

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Oct 31 09:59:39 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Wed Oct 30 2019 10:00 pm

    Thanks for that. Maybe I'm better off without the web stuff. I don't think the younger generation is even interested in BBSing. I can't even get my 30 year old son to create an account on my BBS. He can't get past the login screens. lol

    We've seen some young people post on Dove-Net every so often. They say they're
    interested in old stuff. Sometimes it makes me feel old, remembering when I was accessing BBSes in the 90s when it was all fresh and BBSing was the thing..
    :P

    I never thought using a BBS was that difficult though.. But maybe that's because I had been using computers since I was a kid, even before I got my own.
    My dad was always into computers (and still is) - He was often messing around on computers such as the TRS-80 (before I was born), so there was always a computer (or 2 or 3) around when I was growing up. Also, the schools I went to
    often had an area with computers, usually Apple 2 in the 80s (we'd play games such as Logo, Oregon Trail, etc. on them), and later, Macintosh computers. My dad eventually started using IBM PC compatibles at home. So I grew up learning
    about that stuff, and I was fine using DOS.

    I've seen some videos on YouTube with young kids using old technology and trying to figure it out.. Sometimes funny results.

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 13:46:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How important is it to have https access fro Synchronet and
    ftelnet access on your BBS?

    Not important to me at all. I do not have web access to my BBS
    enabled. To me, a BBS should be accessed from an ANSI-type
    application to make it as similar to the dial-up days as possible.

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for
    users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have
    a telnet program installed.

    I suppose so.... but to me if they want to call a BBS they
    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.



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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Oct 31 14:35:43 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 2019 01:46 pm

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for
    users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have
    a telnet program installed.

    I suppose so.... but to me if they want to call a BBS they
    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    I always thought the same, but there are casual users who might not have a BBS telnet client installed because they just don't use one very often. Those types of users might only be inclined to call your BBS if there is something like fTelnet available.

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    If they don't know about RIP, they might not be familiar with ANSI either.

    I don't have any RIP menus, but sometimes I've wondered if it would be useful to have something more GUI-like such as RIP. If there was something like fTelnte that supported RIP, it might look a little more 'modern' than ANSI, which I wonder if some users might be interested in.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Nightfox on Fri Nov 1 08:28:00 2019
    On 10-31-19 09:59, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    I never thought using a BBS was that difficult though.. But maybe
    that's because I had been using computers since I was a kid, even
    before I got my own. My dad was always into computers (and still is) -
    He was often messing around on computers such as the TRS-80 (before I
    was born), so there was always a computer (or 2 or 3) around when I was growing up. Also, the schools I went to often had an area with
    computers, usually Apple 2 in the 80s (we'd play games such as Logo, Oregon Trail, etc. on them), and later, Macintosh computers. My dad eventually started using IBM PC compatibles at home. So I grew up learning about that stuff, and I was fine using DOS.

    Our generation was more used to text only interfaces. We grew up using DOS or some other text based OS.

    I've seen some videos on YouTube with young kids using old technology
    and trying to figure it out.. Sometimes funny results.

    The one of young people trying to figure out a rotary phone is quite good. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Fri Nov 1 08:32:00 2019
    On 10-31-19 13:46, Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for
    users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have
    a telnet program installed.

    I suppose so.... but to me if they want to call a BBS they
    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    I'm not a big fan of the "web does everything" model. Web versions of text based systems have always had some odd annoyances (most commonly with copy/paste). Give me a dedicated client anyday.

    That aside, I don't mind providing such interfaces for those masochists^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpeople who like them. :)

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    Something I'd liked to have seen more of back in the day. The concept of RIP did intrigue me.


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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Oct 31 20:23:58 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 2019 01:46 pm

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for

    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    Did you know Synchronet comes with Rip menus ? I'm sure you've saw them in sbbs/text/menus


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Thu Oct 31 17:34:12 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Tony Langdon to Gamgee on Fri Nov 01 2019 08:32 am

    I'm not a big fan of the "web does everything" model. Web versions of text based systems have always had some odd annoyances (most commonly with copy/paste). Give me a dedicated client anyday.

    That's true, it has its drawbacks, but I don't think it really hurts anything to have a web telnet client available. A lot of people these days don't have a
    good BBS telnet client installed, unless they're familiar with the BBS scene. For people who might be getting back into it, or new BBS users, it would probably be handy to have fTelnet available for them, at least at first. If they then really want to get into it, maybe they'd go install a dedicated BBS telnet application.

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Oct 31 21:53:00 2019
    HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    Did you know Synchronet comes with Rip menus ? I'm sure you've
    saw them in sbbs/text/menus

    Actually... I had forgotten those were there, thanks for the
    reminder. Of course they are "stock" and I wouldn't know how to
    customize them. Gonna fire up the ripterm app and see how they
    look.

    The point I was making though is that if a potential new caller
    doesn't know about ANSI type telnet apps, the odds of them knowing
    about RIP clients is near zero. It's not something that I have
    time to try and actually use on the BBS, at this point.



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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 21:59:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for
    users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have
    a telnet program installed.

    I suppose so.... but to me if they want to call a BBS they
    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    I always thought the same, but there are casual users who might
    not have a BBS telnet client installed because they just don't
    use one very often. Those types of users might only be inclined
    to call your BBS if there is something like fTelnet available.

    I guess that's probably true, but not sure I'm super-interested in
    having those kind of users. Somehow I don't see accessing a BBS
    via a browswer as the "right way" to be doing it. Also, having
    web access to the system opens up a whole 'nother can of worms
    regarding security/hacking. For the moment at least, I'm choosing
    not to enable that feature on my system.

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    If they don't know about RIP, they might not be familiar with
    ANSI either.

    True, but even back in the good ole days, a lot of users didn't
    know (or care) about RIP. With the shortage of users these days I
    don't think we are losing users by not having RIP capabilities.

    I don't have any RIP menus, but sometimes I've wondered if it
    would be useful to have something more GUI-like such as RIP. If
    there was something like fTelnte that supported RIP, it might
    look a little more 'modern' than ANSI, which I wonder if some
    users might be interested in.

    You know, Hustler reminded me in a message in this thread, that
    Synchronet actually does come with RIP menus... I had completely
    forgotten that myself. Sometime soon I'm gonna point a RIPterm
    client at my board and see what I see. :-)


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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Thu Oct 31 22:04:00 2019
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Having fTelnet (or similar) hosted on a web page can be handy for
    users to log in and access the ANSI interface if they don't have
    a telnet program installed.

    I suppose so.... but to me if they want to call a BBS they
    should/would have a telnet client installed. :-)

    I'm not a big fan of the "web does everything" model. Web
    versions of text based systems have always had some odd
    annoyances (most commonly with copy/paste). Give me a dedicated
    client anyday.

    Same here, to the point that I choose to not offer the web access,
    at least for now.

    That aside, I don't mind providing such interfaces for those masochists^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpeople who like them. :)

    Hehe! One of my other reasons for not enabling that interface is
    the increased security risks that it brings with it.

    Also, what about RIP?

    Another non-factor for me. Don't have menus for it and don't even
    know how they're created. Also, if a caller doesn't have a telnet
    client available, they certainly don't know about a RIP-capable
    client.

    Something I'd liked to have seen more of back in the day. The
    concept of RIP did intrigue me.

    Agreed, it was fairly rare even back then, in my part of the scene
    anyway. I don't recall there being a client easily obtained/used
    to call such systems, either.

    Somebody (Hustler) reminded me in this thread that Synchronet does
    come with default RIP menus... I had forgotten that, but plan to
    take a peek at them soonly.



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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Nightfox on Fri Nov 1 18:56:00 2019
    On 10-31-19 17:34, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I'm not a big fan of the "web does everything" model. Web versions of text based systems have always had some odd annoyances (most commonly with copy/paste). Give me a dedicated client anyday.

    That's true, it has its drawbacks, but I don't think it really hurts anything to have a web telnet client available. A lot of people these

    I agree totally. I have no problem making things I won't use available, if there's utility for others.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Fri Nov 1 18:59:00 2019
    On 10-31-19 22:04, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Same here, to the point that I choose to not offer the web access,
    at least for now.

    That aside, I don't mind providing such interfaces for those masochists^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpeople who like them. :)

    Hehe! One of my other reasons for not enabling that interface is
    the increased security risks that it brings with it.

    Good point. That's something each of us has to weigh up.

    Something I'd liked to have seen more of back in the day. The
    concept of RIP did intrigue me.

    Agreed, it was fairly rare even back then, in my part of the scene
    anyway. I don't recall there being a client easily obtained/used
    to call such systems, either.

    I never had a client, so calling a RIP capable system was a bit tricky. I did call at least one Searchlight BBS fairly regularly though. Don't know if he had RIP setup though.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Fri Nov 1 19:22:00 2019
    On 10-31-19 21:59, Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    You know, Hustler reminded me in a message in this thread, that
    Synchronet actually does come with RIP menus... I had completely forgotten that myself. Sometime soon I'm gonna point a RIPterm
    client at my board and see what I see. :-)

    I get an ANSI telnet session. Obviously have to do something more to get RIP happening.


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Fri Nov 1 10:19:50 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 2019 09:59 pm

    You know, Hustler reminded me in a message in this thread, that Synchronet actually does come with RIP menus... I had completely forgotten that myself. Sometime soon I'm gonna point a RIPterm
    client at my board and see what I see. :-)

    Yeah, I've thought of trying to get RIP set up on my BBS. I just haven't gotten to it (with other perhaps more interesting projects to work on). I don't remember if there's a good RIP drawing/designing program that can be run on modern operating systems either..

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Fri Nov 1 11:01:00 2019
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You know, Hustler reminded me in a message in this thread, that
    Synchronet actually does come with RIP menus... I had completely forgotten that myself. Sometime soon I'm gonna point a RIPterm
    client at my board and see what I see. :-)

    I get an ANSI telnet session. Obviously have to do something
    more to get RIP happening.

    I just tried my system, calling it from a Win7 box and running
    "RIPTel" as the client. The "logon" screens showed as normal ANSI
    (as expected), but the Main Menu was definitely RIP! Also saw a
    few other menus that were RIP as well, and they looked great.
    Listing *.rip in your /sbbs/text/menu directory will show you
    which menus are there for RIP. It's pretty basic and "stock", but
    it works... :-)



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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Fri Nov 1 18:09:29 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Tony Langdon on Fri Nov 01 2019 11:01 am

    I just tried my system, calling it from a Win7 box and running
    "RIPTel" as the client. The "logon" screens showed as normal ANSI
    (as expected), but the Main Menu was definitely RIP! Also saw a
    few other menus that were RIP as well, and they looked great.
    Listing *.rip in your /sbbs/text/menu directory will show you
    which menus are there for RIP. It's pretty basic and "stock", but
    it works... :-)

    Pretty cool stuff eh?? I was thrilled to see the Rip Menus included with Sychronet. DM has all the bases covered ;-)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Sat Nov 2 09:41:00 2019
    On 11-01-19 11:01, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I just tried my system, calling it from a Win7 box and running
    "RIPTel" as the client. The "logon" screens showed as normal ANSI
    (as expected), but the Main Menu was definitely RIP! Also saw a
    few other menus that were RIP as well, and they looked great.
    Listing *.rip in your /sbbs/text/menu directory will show you
    which menus are there for RIP. It's pretty basic and "stock", but
    it works... :-)

    Yes, I investigated further and got the RIP menus. Quite functional, though the swapping between RIP and ANSI modes was a bit disconcerting. :)


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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Fri Nov 1 20:42:00 2019
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I just tried my system, calling it from a Win7 box and running
    "RIPTel" as the client. The "logon" screens showed as normal ANSI
    (as expected), but the Main Menu was definitely RIP! Also saw a
    few other menus that were RIP as well, and they looked great.
    Listing *.rip in your /sbbs/text/menu directory will show you
    which menus are there for RIP. It's pretty basic and "stock", but
    it works... :-)

    Yes, I investigated further and got the RIP menus. Quite
    functional, though the swapping between RIP and ANSI modes was a
    bit disconcerting. :)

    Yes, it is.

    I guess now you'll have to customize them and add the ones to
    replace the ANSI screens. Let us know when you're done, and what
    tool/editor you used to accomplish it... :-)



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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Sat Nov 2 22:00:00 2019
    On 11-01-19 20:42, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yes, I investigated further and got the RIP menus. Quite
    functional, though the swapping between RIP and ANSI modes was a
    bit disconcerting. :)

    Yes, it is.

    I guess now you'll have to customize them and add the ones to
    replace the ANSI screens. Let us know when you're done, and what tool/editor you used to accomplish it... :-)

    I don't do UI stuff really. I find it too tedious. :( And I have nothing to generate RIP menus with anyway.

    I also found another issue. I was already logged in using SyncTerm. When I logged in using RIPTel, Synchronet also switched my preexisting session to RIP, and that persisted even after the RIP session was logged out. I had to log out of and back into the SyncTerm session to get standard ANSI back. :)


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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 2 12:45:42 2019
    thats because when you logged into with ripterm it changed a flag in your user,it isn't session based it just goes by the last time you logged in

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 2 12:51:00 2019
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yes, I investigated further and got the RIP menus. Quite
    functional, though the swapping between RIP and ANSI modes was a
    bit disconcerting. :)

    Yes, it is.

    I guess now you'll have to customize them and add the ones to
    replace the ANSI screens. Let us know when you're done, and what tool/editor you used to accomplish it... :-)

    I don't do UI stuff really. I find it too tedious. :( And I
    have nothing to generate RIP menus with anyway.

    Yeah, I hear that. I have some custom ANSI stuff, but not about
    to create RIP stuff. Nobody uses it anyway.

    I also found another issue. I was already logged in using
    SyncTerm. When I logged in using RIPTel, Synchronet also
    switched my preexisting session to RIP, and that persisted even
    after the RIP session was logged out. I had to log out of and
    back into the SyncTerm session to get standard ANSI back. :)

    Well that's interesting. Probably from the "auto detect" function
    of the terminal/Syncterm.


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Sat Nov 2 12:35:37 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 02 2019 12:51 pm

    Yeah, I hear that. I have some custom ANSI stuff, but not about
    to create RIP stuff. Nobody uses it anyway.

    Of course nobody uses it if nobody is creating RIP stuff.. ;)

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Richard Williamson on Sun Nov 3 12:14:00 2019
    On 11-02-19 12:45, Richard Williamson wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    thats because when you logged into with ripterm it changed a flag in
    your user,it isn't session based it just goes by the last time you
    logged in

    Yeah, I suspected as much. I'm one of those people likely to break such assumptions LOL.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Gamgee on Sun Nov 3 12:17:00 2019
    On 11-02-19 12:51, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, I hear that. I have some custom ANSI stuff, but not about
    to create RIP stuff. Nobody uses it anyway.

    Yeah ANSI, RIP, it's all out of my league. :(

    Well that's interesting. Probably from the "auto detect" function
    of the terminal/Syncterm.

    Someone else seemed to confirm my suspicions that it's a session type flag against the user's account, and when I logged in with RIPTel, the flag was changed for my username, and affected all sessions. This makes sense, though DM would be the authoritative source of information, since it's his code. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Nightfox on Sun Nov 3 12:31:00 2019
    On 11-02-19 12:35, Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Gamgee to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 02 2019 12:51 pm

    Yeah, I hear that. I have some custom ANSI stuff, but not about
    to create RIP stuff. Nobody uses it anyway.

    Of course nobody uses it if nobody is creating RIP stuff.. ;)

    True. Well, there's a perfectly good RIP client out there now (RIPTel), so a good set of RIP menues would be nice. If only I could draw, that's my limitation, because a set of menus that looks like freeway signage and exits would be appropriate for this system, and would be perfect for RIP.


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 2 21:18:29 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Tony Langdon to Gamgee on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:00 pm

    On 11-01-19 20:42, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yes, I investigated further and got the RIP menus. Quite
    functional, though the swapping between RIP and ANSI modes was a
    bit disconcerting. :)

    Yes, it is.

    I guess now you'll have to customize them and add the ones to
    replace the ANSI screens. Let us know when you're done, and what tool/editor you used to accomplish it... :-)

    I don't do UI stuff really. I find it too tedious. :( And I have nothing to generate RIP menus with anyway.

    I also found another issue. I was already logged in using SyncTerm. When I logged in using RIPTel, Synchronet also switched my preexisting session to RIP, and that persisted even after the RIP session was logged out. I had to log out of and back into the SyncTerm session to get standard ANSI back. :)

    That problem was fixed early this year. Please upgrade.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Sat Nov 2 21:18:53 2019
    Re: Re: Web Question?
    By: Richard Williamson to Tony Langdon on Sat Nov 02 2019 12:45 pm

    thats because when you logged into with ripterm it changed a flag in your user, it isn't session based it just goes by the last time you logged in

    Not when you have auto-terminal-type detection enabled.

    digital man

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Digital Man on Sun Nov 3 15:37:00 2019
    On 11-02-19 21:18, Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    That problem was fixed early this year. Please upgrade.

    OK, cool thanks. :)


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